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PostSubject: Tail waggin   Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:09 pm

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone could answer this. When I hit about 45 in my bug it starts to do a little "tail waggin" back and forth. It's really strange. Everything's tight in both the rear end and the front end, could it be the alignment causing this? Thanks for any help!
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:25 pm

If you mean the front end goes left and right at 45, then yes. When I did my drop spindles I had the toe in way off and it did it at 25mph.. then it got better, then finally stopped by my third adjustment

Measure the front end.. tire to tire in the same spot.. say 2nd rib in from the end on both tires.. measure front, then back.. it should be no more than 1/8" less measurement on the front. Say 53 1/4" on the back then 53 1/8" on the front.. if it is toe'd out, it will try tracking left and right, or to much toe in.

By the way.. glad to hear from you.. wandered where you went Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:12 pm

Brad's right. You want to be toed in 1/16" to 1/8" in front. You might also check the toe on the rear axle. I run the rear 0" to 1/16" toed in. it is adjustable by shifting the axle tubes forward or back on the spring plate slots. Measuring from the treads is okay, but it's better to jack up the car, spin the tires and "scribe" a line in the middle of the tire.
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:24 am

Eric is right. Scribe the line. It is a good method.

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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:29 am

It could also be caused from a severely out-of-balance tire or a tire that is in the beginning stages of a separation.
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:05 pm

So, I answered my own question today when I went out and looked around at my bug and there was gear oil coming out of my axle nut on the drivers side rear wheel. I looked at it for a bit and realized there was no cotter pin in it, then reached down and grabbed the axle nut and it was loose! When I changed out the transaxle a few weeks ago my Dad tightened the axle nuts and installed cotter pins! He barely bent the cotter pins after installation, and when I questioned it he said it would be good to go! Apparently not! lol! BUT, it's all good now! Thanks for the quick responses guys I really appreciate it! See you tomorrow at show and shine! Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:07 pm

Admin wrote:
If you mean the front end goes left and right at 45, then yes. When I did my drop spindles I had the toe in way off and it did it at 25mph.. then it got better, then finally stopped by my third adjustment

Measure the front end.. tire to tire in the same spot.. say 2nd rib in from the end on both tires.. measure front, then back.. it should be no more than 1/8" less measurement on the front. Say 53 1/4" on the back then 53 1/8" on the front.. if it is toe'd out, it will try tracking left and right, or to much toe in.

By the way.. glad to hear from you.. wandered where you went Smile

I was camping all last week Brad, didn't have much time to hop on, I'll be around though, hope you're not getting too attatched this quick though, I don't like being tied down!!! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:51 pm

To late for that buddy.. .your married with kids...Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:36 pm

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To late for that buddy.. .your married with kids...Razz
Very true! But I like it! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:31 am

Glad you got it fixed before it developed into some major trouble.

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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:50 am

60herbie53 wrote:
Glad you got it fixed before it developed into some major trouble.
Me too thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:25 am

TORQUE THOSE DOWN REAL GOOD. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TORQUED TO LIKE 500 LB FT OR SOMETHING CLOSE. ILL LOOK IT UP WHEN I GET TO THE SHOP. I USUALLY HIT THEM REALLY GOOD WITH THE AIR GUN (HIGHEST SETTING TILL THEY WONT TURN NO MORE).

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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:19 pm

217 to 225 ft lbs is recommended. I use one of those flame-cut beater sockets and a 3 lb hammer.

I like this guys approach also:
Here's what I do:
"I get out my 36mm socket and my big breaker bar.
My weight is about 160 so I take 217/160 = 1.36
Multiply 1.36 x 12 inches = about 16 1/3 inches
Take a pen and make a mark on the breaker bar at 16 1/3 inches.
Stand on the bar at that mark. Don't bounce on it, just stand.
When the bar doesn't turn anymore from your weight, it's at 217 lbs., insert the cotter pin.
If the cotter pin holes are a little off, tighten it a tiny bit more until they line up.

Substitute your weight above for my 160."
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:43 pm

speedbuggy wrote:
217 to 225 ft lbs is recommended. I use one of those flame-cut beater sockets and a 3 lb hammer.

I like this guys approach also:
Here's what I do:
"I get out my 36mm socket and my big breaker bar.
My weight is about 160 so I take 217/160 = 1.36
Multiply 1.36 x 12 inches = about 16 1/3 inches
Take a pen and make a mark on the breaker bar at 16 1/3 inches.
Stand on the bar at that mark. Don't bounce on it, just stand.
When the bar doesn't turn anymore from your weight, it's at 217 lbs., insert the cotter pin.
If the cotter pin holes are a little off, tighten it a tiny bit more until they line up.

Substitute your weight above for my 160."
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:12 pm

That works too! afro
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:26 am

cldaslfe wrote:
speedbuggy wrote:
217 to 225 ft lbs is recommended. I use one of those flame-cut beater sockets and a 3 lb hammer.

I like this guys approach also:
Here's what I do:
"I get out my 36mm socket and my big breaker bar.
My weight is about 160 so I take 217/160 = 1.36
Multiply 1.36 x 12 inches = about 16 1/3 inches
Take a pen and make a mark on the breaker bar at 16 1/3 inches.
Stand on the bar at that mark. Don't bounce on it, just stand.
When the bar doesn't turn anymore from your weight, it's at 217 lbs., insert the cotter pin.
If the cotter pin holes are a little off, tighten it a tiny bit more until they line up.

Substitute your weight above for my 160."
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:39 am

I use an 18 inch breaker bar with a 36 mm socket, I weigh about 155 so it should be pretty dam close! I don't think she will come loose again!
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PostSubject: Re: Tail waggin   Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:15 pm

Good deal.

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